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Nice Wintec 500 All purpose in brown. Measure 17 in although the flap is stamped as a 42 cm, which would be a 16 and 1/2. Please see measurements. Will flocking is even and cushy. Tree, hardware and billets are sound. 399 includes leathers and irons and medium gullet is installed. Note: removable Velcro knee blocks are not included. Interchangeable gullet system allows you to go from narrow to extra wide, by changing gullet bars. No additional gullets come with a saddle. 3-day trial available with in-person pickup, sales are final on shipped saddles.